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	<title>Comments on: Tips on writing headlines for a local-news website</title>
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	<description>A Denver web developer and journalist's thoughts on local online journalism, community, context and storytelling.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Amico</title>
		<link>http://joethink.com/blog/2009/06/tips-writing-headlines-for-a-local-news-website/comment-page-1/#comment-28996</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Amico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it. Maybe we should start a wiki or something. Get some feedback how terms (beyond just places) are used in real life by real users. That would give us better data and better ammunition when random editors start insisting we all live in The City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it. Maybe we should start a wiki or something. Get some feedback how terms (beyond just places) are used in real life by real users. That would give us better data and better ammunition when random editors start insisting we all live in The City.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://joethink.com/blog/2009/06/tips-writing-headlines-for-a-local-news-website/comment-page-1/#comment-28995</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;what readers actually type&quot; is real, and it&#039;s made even more real if a site gets more search engine juice from links with the postal abbreviation than it does from links with the AP abbreviation.

It doesn&#039;t matter what you name something, if everyone else names it something different.

...a &quot;Search Engine Friendly Stylebook&quot; might be useful here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;what readers actually type&#8221; is real, and it&#8217;s made even more real if a site gets more search engine juice from links with the postal abbreviation than it does from links with the AP abbreviation.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what you name something, if everyone else names it something different.</p>
<p>&#8230;a &#8220;Search Engine Friendly Stylebook&#8221; might be useful here.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Amico</title>
		<link>http://joethink.com/blog/2009/06/tips-writing-headlines-for-a-local-news-website/comment-page-1/#comment-28994</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Amico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did a few test searches before I posted the comment, and Google at least has no trouble figuring out what AP abbreviations refer to which states. I figure most search engines are smart enough to figure out AP style. It&#039;s better than I am at going from AP to postal and back than I am.

That said, I wonder if the issue is less about what Google can understand and more about what a user is likely to type. My quick tests were probably the first time I ever typed Calif into a search field.

I just did another couple tests, and Google, at least, recognizes this. Search for Jackson, Miss., and you get a map of Jackson, MS. Same with Missoula, MT, and Jackson, WY. Google normalizes to postal style.

Maybe I&#039;m just getting irked by parts of AP style that feel dated and print-centric. Don&#039;t get me started on &quot;Web site&quot; vs. website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a few test searches before I posted the comment, and Google at least has no trouble figuring out what AP abbreviations refer to which states. I figure most search engines are smart enough to figure out AP style. It&#8217;s better than I am at going from AP to postal and back than I am.</p>
<p>That said, I wonder if the issue is less about what Google can understand and more about what a user is likely to type. My quick tests were probably the first time I ever typed Calif into a search field.</p>
<p>I just did another couple tests, and Google, at least, recognizes this. Search for Jackson, Miss., and you get a map of Jackson, MS. Same with Missoula, MT, and Jackson, WY. Google normalizes to postal style.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just getting irked by parts of AP style that feel dated and print-centric. Don&#8217;t get me started on &#8220;Web site&#8221; vs. website.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://joethink.com/blog/2009/06/tips-writing-headlines-for-a-local-news-website/comment-page-1/#comment-28993</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question -- funny thing, I had a couple sentences about that in my first draft but eliminated them because I thought it was too small an issue.

It may not be. The challenge is figuring out the terms that people in your area use to find what they&#039;re looking for. I know that people search for &quot;Denver CO Weather&quot; on Google about half as often as they search for &quot;Denver Weather,&quot; and that &quot;Denver Colo Weather&quot; isn&#039;t even on the map. That would seem to make the two-letter (&quot;zipcode&quot;) state abbreviations more useful than AP&#039;s.

But, still, search engines likely have internal dictionaries that map phrases like &quot;Minn.&quot; to &quot;Minnesota.&quot; It&#039;s likely their parsers also can figure out that most references to &quot;Wash.&quot; mean &quot;Washington state,&quot; and aren&#039;t the word &quot;wash&quot; arbitrarily capitalized with a random period after it.

In my day job I&#039;ve been using the two-letter zipcode abbreviations some of the time, and the full state name other parts of the time. You can see some of this strategy in action on our weather news section (which I created mostly for SEO purposes): http://www.denverpost.com/weathernews .

All that said, I&#039;d rather be in a S.D., S.C., R.I. or N.Y. than a Mich., Miss., Mass. or Ark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question &#8212; funny thing, I had a couple sentences about that in my first draft but eliminated them because I thought it was too small an issue.</p>
<p>It may not be. The challenge is figuring out the terms that people in your area use to find what they&#8217;re looking for. I know that people search for &#8220;Denver CO Weather&#8221; on Google about half as often as they search for &#8220;Denver Weather,&#8221; and that &#8220;Denver Colo Weather&#8221; isn&#8217;t even on the map. That would seem to make the two-letter (&#8220;zipcode&#8221;) state abbreviations more useful than AP&#8217;s.</p>
<p>But, still, search engines likely have internal dictionaries that map phrases like &#8220;Minn.&#8221; to &#8220;Minnesota.&#8221; It&#8217;s likely their parsers also can figure out that most references to &#8220;Wash.&#8221; mean &#8220;Washington state,&#8221; and aren&#8217;t the word &#8220;wash&#8221; arbitrarily capitalized with a random period after it.</p>
<p>In my day job I&#8217;ve been using the two-letter zipcode abbreviations some of the time, and the full state name other parts of the time. You can see some of this strategy in action on our weather news section (which I created mostly for SEO purposes): <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/weathernews" rel="nofollow">http://www.denverpost.com/weathernews</a> .</p>
<p>All that said, I&#8217;d rather be in a S.D., S.C., R.I. or N.Y. than a Mich., Miss., Mass. or Ark.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Amico</title>
		<link>http://joethink.com/blog/2009/06/tips-writing-headlines-for-a-local-news-website/comment-page-1/#comment-28988</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Amico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do you come down on state names and abbreviations? I tend to build databases using post codes and full names, and it&#039;s starting to make me hate AP style (Calif., W. Va) on states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you come down on state names and abbreviations? I tend to build databases using post codes and full names, and it&#8217;s starting to make me hate AP style (Calif., W. Va) on states.</p>
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